There isn’t a lot flavonols in Chocamine which I posted sadly.
The proprietor on reddit:
The flavanols in cocoa are primarily (-)–epicatechin, (+)–catechin, EGCG, and procyanidins B1 and B2. Then there are flavonols like luteolin, orientin, isoorientin, apigenin, vitexin, ixovitexin, naringenin, prunin, hesperidin, and quercetin in some cocoas, too. We promote (-)–epicatechin, EGCG, apigenin, hesperidin, and quercetin by themselves, so you may take precisely what you need. Then we simply launched Vignatex for vitexin and isovitexin. Our tart cherry has the procyanidins, and our Pomella has proanthocyanidins. Then we’re engaged on a number of of the opposite flavones as standalones, too. I didn’t see a purpose to attempt to go down the highway of doing it with cocoa. Chocamine is extra for the stimulating elements. You may add in different flavones/flavanols/flavonols individually to get precisely what you need if you wish to increase that facet of issues.
That brings me to my different major level. Grouping flavanols all collectively in a standardization with cocoa doesn’t make an entire lot of sense to me. You realize why? I might blow everybody else’s numbers out of the water by simply including in an inexpensive flavanol to our Chocamine. ConsumerLab ain’t separating the flavanols out within the knowledge and trying to see in the event that they match the pure ratios in cocoa, so I guess many of those samples are simply spiked. It’s the most cost effective and best solution to do it. I’d guess cash if we check all these samples they did, and have a look at the ratios of the flavanols, we’d discover our reply. I feel we’ll discover a massive peak from a single flavanol in there. My guess could be EGCG. You suppose these huge firms like Nestle, Hershey, and Mars sweet give one flying fuck concerning the scientific validity of what they’re claiming? Nestle actually murders individuals all over the world to maintain their stranglehold on issues. Mars, Nestle, and Hershey all have claims in opposition to them for utilizing baby slaves… Mars Sweet is the one behind CocoaVia
You suppose these guys have the scientific integrity to essentially have a look at the ratios of the flavanols of their cacao, and put QC steps in to make sure they match the pure ratios? Or do you suppose it’s extra possible they’re including as a lot EGCG to the batches to get the “whole flavanols” quantity increased than their opponents? I’ve not gone out and examined cocoa/cacao merchandise available on the market, so I don’t have the broad knowledge to say for positive. Nonetheless, I understand how this trade works, and I understand how massive of items of shit the massive gamers in it are. Hell, possibly they’re testing for the ratios, and our knowledge will present that. Nonetheless, I feel we’ll discover not.
Appears like there is perhaps some battle within the cocoa trade:
Additionally, why was our Chocamine (not standardized to flavanols) and Mars’ CocoaVia the one cocoa dietary supplements examined?!? They select one complement made for prime flavanols, after which one that’s not, and name {that a} day for the complement group?!? They decide the very factor CocoaVia is made for, however ours isn’t, and use that as the only measure of issues? Now that this entire factor has been introduced up, I’m going to debate with my lab director about doing a correct flavanol assay in cocoa. I need to see the quantities and ratios in all these extracts. $100 says we discover many are spiked with one thing like EGCG. If that’s the case, simply take our EGCG and epicatechin and know precisely how a lot you’re getting.
