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The Jury’s In: What Bike Mechanics Actually Suppose About Inner Cable Routing Headsets

Love them or hate them, inside cable routing headsets are ripping by way of the bike trade like wild-fire. It’s considered one of a sequence of steps manufacturers have taken towards full integration. Targets embrace improved aerodynamics, improved aesthetics and, the holy grail, “clear traces”. For some, nevertheless, it’s a step too far.

Operating cables and brake hoses by way of the headset does, undoubtedly, tidy issues up within the cockpit. Nevertheless, headset-dependent, it does include further time spent within the work stand, and the elevated labor prices related to that. Some riders with deep pockets will, I’m positive, be joyful to pay the premium, however others are in for a shock.

fsa acros internal cable headset routing mtb road ebikes
Numerous ranges of integration are attainable for highway, mountain and eBikes with quite a lot of headsets from Acros, FSA, Deda, First Elements, Token and others

For many riders, it’s their bike mechanic that has to cope with the added complexity of internally routed cables. These guys have put up with years of ever-changing “requirements” throughout the bike trade, so how a lot will this actually hassle them? We contacted mechanics from Europe and the US to get their viewpoint on inside headset cable routing, and whereas a few of them did reply with a way of diplomacy, others have been reasonably extra agency of their opinion.

We despatched them the next:

“It’s you guys, the mechanics, who must cope with the arrival of inside headset cable routing that’s sweeping throughout the trade. So, what are your ideas on it? Is it a superb factor, or a nasty factor? Are you having to cost your prospects extra for headset bearing replacements, brake bleeds, cable replacements, and so forth? Is it actually that rather more trouble, or is it straightforward sufficient when you’ve performed one or two? Would you’ve got it in your private bike if, in some parallel universe, you weren’t chargeable for the upkeep of your individual bike?”

Bike Mechanics’ Take On Inner Headset Cable Routing

Joergen at Parallel Handbuilt – Netherlands

What are your ideas on totally inside, built-in cabling?

They’re advantageous, every part’s gonna be advantageous, simply pay me € 350 to swap your € 25 headset bearings… lol.

I believe it’s principally advantageous. Usually sufficient it does complicate wrenching on a motorcycle, if the “wrenching” to be performed includes getting deeper into the bike, the body particularly. Some designs available on the market require partial or full disassembly of a motorcycle to do common (albeit not usually performed) upkeep comparable to changing headset bearings. Some bikes with totally inside and built-in cabling which are ridden in locations in situations that wish to eat headset bearings often, like cyclocross or mountain bike, needs to be averted for those who’re asking this mechanic.

Is it a superb factor, or a nasty factor?
I don’t assume it’s both. If a buyer is especially enthused about having all their cables, or in all actuality, simply two hydraulic hoses, tucked away neatly of their frames, then it’s an amazing factor! If a shopper likes DIY upkeep, sustaining their bike extra usually, or simply inexpensive upkeep, then it isn’t a superb factor. When a motorcycle is bought to a buyer and the potential €1000 further per yr on built-in cabling-related upkeep has not been communicated clearly, that may be very a lot a nasty factor.

Am you having to cost prospects further?
I don’t cost prospects “further”, however I’m positively pressured to cost prospects extra labour when servicing a motorcycle with one of these cabling and doing restore or upkeep associated to, or behind the inner routing. Which may be me being pedantic, however it’s an necessary element.

A easy headset bearing substitute, one thing that could be as low cost as € 50-70, might be 4 to 5 instances as costly on some inside cable designs due to the need to de-cable the bike and re-bleed the brakes after the set up.

Is it actually that rather more trouble, or is it straightforward sufficient when you’ve performed one or two?
I imply, I’m a motorcycle mechanic, it’s my job to repair the bike in entrance of me. I wouldn’t describe the repairs performed on these extra sophisticated bikes as an even bigger “trouble”, it’s simply rather more work and subsequently extra price for the shopper. To be utterly clear, there are many bikes available on the market at present with a lot less complicated cabling which are an enormous headache for different causes. Element design and integration is every part.

Is it harder that so many bikes use barely totally different options?
Annoying. Annoying is the phrase you’re on the lookout for. When a model “develops” a brand new answer for higher Cable Integration™ however doesn’t, or can not present good, impartial after-sales help, a comparatively easy and painless (albeit costly) restore turns into a whole headache for me and my shopper. I’m not naming names, however y’all know who I’m speaking about. Some manufacturers have very weak documentation as after-sales help, and in these instances, it’s rather more troublesome, however that’s simply since you want particular, proprietary parts however can’t discover an article quantity for instance.

Would you’ve got it in your private bike if you weren’t the mechanic?
No. Fairly actually, I don’t just like the aesthetics of utterly built-in cabling. I like a well-cabled bike, tight curves in good proportions to the opposite cable(s) and size of the headtube, with a clean entrance into the downtube or onto the underside of the downtube. I like the benefit of upkeep, whether or not I’m doing it myself or paying another person to do it. Let me be clear right here, I hate a rat’s nest on the entrance of a motorcycle identical to the remainder of y’all, however two neat and tidy cables poking out from below the bar tape, snaking into the body… It simply jogs my memory {that a} bicycle could be a murals and design, but in addition very a lot a software and a method to an finish.

Cables enter the headset of Lukas Flückiger’s Thömus Lightrider through the headset prime cap

Nick Tanner, Bspoke Cycles – Scotland

Marmite. Sums it up for me.

There’s one thing sensible, refined and ‘up-to-date’ about built-in headsets and cabling, however I believe this solely actually applies to the patron. We’ve prospects curious concerning the lack of seen cables and which have historically been there for many years, they usually do, nearly with out fail, ask ‘is it tougher or dearer to take care of’.

Integration lends itself to dearer part substitute; for those who’re paying double the time for a headset service, it is sensible to pay for a extra sturdy headset/bearings, which can be 3 instances what you’d usually pay, but when taken care of will typically outlast the bike. This additionally encourages some skilled prospects to take extra care of their bike as they change into conscious of the elevated service prices. These shopping for for the primary time haven’t any benchmark towards which to evaluate the newer, dearer prices.

Sure, I’d have full integration on my bike as I just like the clear look, and ease of mounting lights, GPS and so forth, however I don’t cost myself for my time concerned in placing my bikes collectively. Having mentioned that, as an ex-SRAM technician I’ve very excessive requirements in product and repair expectation, and in my view the design of many built-in headset parts isn’t the place it could possibly be; spacers don’t line up, there are gaps between stems and stem caps; if like me you’ve got a bit of motorcycle construct OCD it’s irritating when components simply don’t match effectively.

We’ve prospects deliver us bikes to assemble that they’ve purchased on-line or elsewhere, and sometimes corners have been lower with manufacturing unit meeting or lack of QC; no lubrication, cables/hoses too quick and so forth. This provides further time to a boxed bike construct, and sure, we cost extra because of this. We all the time quote a worth earlier than beginning any work in order that the client has no surprises. We typically soak up the price of an additional barb or compression becoming when swapping brakes from Euro to UK setup, as these are hardly ever equipped within the vary of bikes we see. It depends upon the dimensions of the job and what the bike is in for.

In my view the worst facet of built-in headsets is the default Euro setup; hoses and cables tackle ‘reminiscence’ from the manufacturing unit and boxing, and are sometimes broken the place there isn’t sufficient clearance throughout the headset. Carbon frames are typically OK because the tube joints are a lot bigger voids, however alloy frames have such small holes on the joints that the cables or hoses usually jam up. I’ve had one severed brake hose, within the field! From my viewpoint as a mechanic when constructing a brand new bike, I would favor the cables and hoses equipped pre-cut, however unnoticed of the body. There are just a few secret workshop methods I take advantage of to make changing built-in cables simpler and faster than adjusting and/or changing these poorly put in on the manufacturing unit.

As for aero on highway bike headsets, what number of common riders will expertise the watt-saving advantages of hidden cables? What number of will discover the bar/stem integration dimension is improper and require a change? What number of small IBDs would soak up the price of a £500+ one-piece bar/stem combo swap? Will the client pay one other £500 on prime of the bike price? Sadly, the pandemic remains to be affecting product provide, and in some instances built-in headset parts are unavailable till subsequent yr, that means a motorcycle that wants for instance a 10mm stem change both doesn’t promote, or can be a sub-optimal match for the client for months to return.

Headset integration is clearly right here to remain, and I believe in time the designs will enhance, and with luck, extra thought can be given to the practicalities of their becoming and servicing, and the mechanics who do the onerous graft. I’m a fan of the idea and the looks, however I don’t but get pleasure from engaged on them.

Battaglin Portofino R, custom-made-in -Italy modern integrated steel lugged road bike, cromovelato blue, NDS frameset
There’s no denying that full inside routing goes effectively on this gorgeous Battaglin Portofino R metal highway bike

Václav Svatoš, Unbiased Bike Mechanic – Czech Republic

So, what are your ideas on totally inside , built-in cable routing?
It is just trendy and an evolution of bicycles and clear design and possibly some watt saving like aerodynamics. From a technical aspect, it’s horrible for mechanics, customers, and designers of parts and components like hydro hoses.

Is it a superb factor, or a nasty factor?
It’s good if aero is necessary and you must save watts. It provides time when you must change place of stem or change headset bearings or you must take off bars for touring. All service on the bike with hoses contained in the bars, stem, and headset is extra sophisticated and rather more costly.

Are you having to cost your prospects further (or extra usually) for headset bearing replacements, brake bleeds, cable replacements, and so forth?
Sure, all is dearer and I like to recommend to prospects on new bikes to vary sub-optimal headset bearings (BMC on so costly bikes use headset bearings for $10 with a horrible lifetime) for stainless-steel bearings with good high quality seals. If you must change bearings, it’s a horrible job when it’s essential to lower brake hoses, typically change one hose (you’ll be able to often use the outdated rear for entrance brakes and also you want new one for rear). Altering the rear brake hose is usually not straightforward (it’s a query concerning the BB space). If you must change headset bearings, it’s typically a tougher job than constructing a brand new bike (it’s essential to clear up every part, take all of it off, after which construct once more from zero.

Is it actually that rather more trouble, or is it straightforward sufficient when you’ve performed one or two?
Sure, it’s extra sophisticated. Sure, for those who make the identical bikes many times, you know the way to do this rapidly. However the job time and job steps are the identical.

Is it harder that so many bikes use barely totally different options?
Sure. There’s no actual commonplace of this, some firms use conventional headset bearings and a few D-shape steerer tubes and with out more room for hoses. (You must neglect mechanical groupset!) Some firms could neglect to make a gap within the steerer tube for the entrance brake hose after which solely settle for the FSA system with hose going into the steerer from the highest! That’s essentially the most horrible thought, and the hoses are bent greater than 90° in such a small house!

Would you’ve got it in your private bike if, in some parallel universe, you weren’t chargeable for the upkeep of your individual bike?
On my bike… for my cash? No by no means. I’ll have a 100% practical bike with out feeling the rear brake hose for those who flip the bars. I would like bikes with straightforward elimination of the fork to service the headset, change a headset spacer, for simple for touring, straightforward to vary handlebars or change levers, and so forth. So, no.

2020 FSA internally routed cockpit integration - ACR, ICR SCR road, gravel, mountain bike handlebar, stem, headset
The FSA Aerodynamic Cable Routing (ACR) answer routes cables by way of the highest of the steerer tube preserving them out of the wind in a bid to avoid wasting valuable Watts

James at Analog Cycles – Vermont

At Analog, all we do is construct journey bikes. Something that makes a motorcycle tougher to discipline service is unhealthy for the client out on tour, and any gap within the body that doesn’t have to be there’s a place for water to get in and likewise a spot the place the body is weaker. This has been born out by testing bikes with and with out inside routing holes in managed influence and fatigue assessments carried out in Taiwan for our sister firm Tanglefoot Cycles.  

Inner cable housing additionally bangs round in a body, which makes prospects assume they’ve a body crack when actually it’s simply crappy engineering. I’d be extra with the inner headset routing if there was a full size tube to seize the housing the whole approach.  This may eradicate banging noises, water egress, and the PITA of fishing a cable out. Sure there are good methods on the market for getting a little bit of cable by way of, however these don’t all the time work (i.e. typically a buyer has pulled all of the cables out in a DIY effort, and so forth) and fishing a cable by way of a body is nobody’s thought of a superb time. Moreover, for those who take a look at how a lot put on a little bit of housing causes on a paint job to the purpose of body put on, even on a metal bike, one should surprise a couple of cable housing smacking and rubbing towards a paint-less, hidden steerer tube fabricated from plastic. Looks like an accident ready to occur. 

So, what are your ideas on totally inside, built-in cable routing? It’s additionally pointless for bikes that hardly ever are shifting at peloton speeds.

Is it a superb factor, or a nasty factor? Effective for loopy highway bikes I suppose, professional bikes…

Are you having to cost your prospects further (or extra usually) for headset bearing replacements, brake bleeds, cable replacements, and so forth? We cost a premium for all inside routing. Headset routing isn’t tougher than body routing, however it takes extra time so you must cost extra.

Is it actually that rather more trouble, or is it straightforward sufficient when you’ve performed one or two? Straightforward sufficient, the difficulty isn’t ease of use on a workstand.

Is it harder that so many bikes use barely totally different options? In fact it’s a ache within the ass. How may it not be? New requirements imply new tooling, extra schooling for workers, extra time spent on youtube the primary few go rounds.

Would you’ve got it in your private bike if, in some parallel universe, you weren’t chargeable for the upkeep of your individual bike? Hell no. Essentially the most I’d do can be inside routing with a brazed in place brass tube on a gravel or highway bike prime tube or chainstay. I don’t assume the headset routing appears to be like good, it appears to be like low cost, like a Walmart bike answer to not braze on cable guides. What would Pacific do? Inner routing! Quite a lot of these items is only for producers to tout marginal weight financial savings over final yr’s mannequin. Should you put off downtube cable ports or housing bosses, you progress the port to the headset, and instantly your body is X quantity of grams lighter. It’s all a rip-off, there isn’t a legit cause outdoors of aerodynamics to maneuver the routing to the headset. So, for those who see this routing on something however a professional stage bike, and also you assume it’s rad, you’ve been had.

enve custom road race bike aero full integration headset cable routing
Full cable integration on an Enve Customized Highway Race Bike provides the cleanest of traces for this aero-optimized body

Mitch Graham of BioWheels – Madeira, OH

I suppose we take the method that it doesn’t do us a lot good to complain about what the trade does with inside routing or new requirements on the bread-and-butter bikes that we promote and repair. It’s what it’s. If most prospects are in favor of those options (many are on the lookout for full integration), then we have now to be. The typical worth for a motorcycle we promote is $6000 which signifies that now greater than half of the bikes we promote to people have totally inside routing. We’re used to coping with them, they usually positively get simpler the extra you’re employed on them (particularly in case you are seeing the identical fashions in entrance of you again and again.) Wanting again now into our workshop, each bikes being tuned up have full inside routing. So an increasing number of service bikes coming in are inside. We cost hourly for service, so we run the clock as soon as we begin work on a motorcycle, and invoice for our time. So sure we have now to cost extra as a result of these bikes are all the time going to take longer to service than the earlier technology.

Would I personally select a motorcycle with conventional routing or totally inside? Nice query. I suppose since I would like the brand new Moots CRD highway bike greater than I would like the earlier mannequin – I must say totally inside for me! They simply look superior.

What impact does inside routing have on bike becoming? There isn’t sufficient time throughout a motorcycle match to swap a totally built-in bar/stem out, in order that job often will get pushed to the service division of our store, or the match shopper’s store again dwelling. We use a fully-adjustable GURU becoming bike for the precise bike match, so we’re capable of get the client their measurements from that (which then would get transferred onto their bike).

Moots Cycles Vamoots CRD side shot
The aforementioned Moots Vamoots CRD with full cable integration

Felix Wolf, Mild Wolf Studio – Germany

What are your ideas on totally inside, built-in cable routing? All people needs it, no one’s needing it, however we’ll do it anyhow.
It may possibly solely be an aesthetic factor since there’s no technical benefit from our viewpoint.
We see far more disadvantages.

Is it a superb factor, or a nasty factor? It’s a pattern of this time.
As a customized bike builder, we’re within the fortunate place to fastidiously decide our merchandise and naturally persuade our prospects for one of the best answer.
Most bikes we construct these days include AXS or Di2 shifting. So we’ll have solely two brake hoses. Our second benefit is likely to be promoting bikes to customized match. Thus, we will lower these two hoses precisely to the size wanted by realizing spacer stack, stem and handlebar specs. This manner we will obtain a really clear look with out squeezing hoses although small components.

So most bikes don’t include full integration. But when it comes with inside routing we have now strict guidelines:
We’re not constructing bikes with 2x mechanical drivetrain and built-in cables – 1x solely in some uncommon instances. We simply wish to keep away from the damaging impact of stiff cables effecting your steering, and to reduce the danger of rattling. To conclude: we solely use methods that actually work effectively and might be actually choosy to keep away from downsides for us and the client.

Are you charging our prospects further (or extra usually) for headset bearing replacements, brake bleeds, cable replacements, and so forth?

Really we’re not charging further or extra usually, we simply cost per hour within the workshop. And a headset bearing substitute took minutes within the outdated days. Now it’s hours to open and re-bleed two hoses and maybe additionally have to take away the BB for rerouting the rear one – relying on the brake system. I assume most prospects don’t take that into consideration and can be shocked by the excessive workshop invoice. There are some inside routing methods on the market that go away bearings uncovered. I guess this may have an effect on headset lifetime. However for us it’s easy – we simply don’t promote bikes with that sort of built-in answer.

Is it actually that rather more trouble, or is it straightforward sufficient when you’ve performed one or two?

In most instances, its a ache within the ass and the mechanic must develop a 3rd arm. However in fact, only some bike mechanics are used to it by engaged on built-in options day by day. And with extra bikes coming with these integrations, we’ll get used to it and evolution would possibly assist with a 3rd arm sooner or later. We’re in a snug place once more with a boutique workshop, fastidiously assembling every bike. If a construct wants any longer – we’ll have the time and endurance.

Is it harder that so many bikes use barely totally different options? We don’t see so many various options. There’s an even bigger higher bearing, a carved higher race, split-able spacers and a stem and handlebars with a number of holes. They might differ specifically form, however the system used is all the time quiet comparable.

Would you’ve got it in your private bike if, in some parallel universe, you weren’t chargeable for the upkeep of your individual bike? To be sincere, I’m simply planning a brand new trip with every part {that a} bike store used to hate: totally built-in cables and proprietary components. You guessed it proper – as a result of it appears to be like cool!

Deda Superbox DCR flexible integrated stem, 4-in-1 internal or external routing options
The Deda Superbox DCR 4-in-1 Stem permits quite a lot of cable routing choices

Evan Robinson of Regular State Cycles – Pittsburgh

The present pattern for working hoses and cable/wires by way of the headset is nice. Making a clear cockpit makes any high-end highway bike look rather more trendy. If there are marginal features from having the hoses contained in the headset, I’m right here for it.

However I believe it’s legal, completely legal, for this to be on lower-end and mechanical bikes. Oversize headset bearings require substitute much less usually. Moving into the top tube to wash and grease the interfaces between the bearings and the body is a little bit ache within the ass, however on many high-end bikes, not a deal breaker.

I had a buyer that did 10,000+ miles a yr in western Pennsylvania and wanted a headset after two seasons. The bike was due for an overhaul anyhow, so different requirements absorbed the associated fee. I additionally assume a superb follow as a mechanic to exchange the cable housing reasonably than the inside cables alone is an expert follow, and now that turns into a particularly costly job on an entry-level bike.

cockpit closeup on Colnago V4Rs road bike
The Colnago V4Rs was designed to be the quickest all-road bike ever



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